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Post by ben on May 22, 2019 13:47:47 GMT
I think everybody agrees that it is far better and more realistic to train on vehicles that have 'Collision' damage... How does everyone achieve this?
We are incredibly fortunate that we can get vehicles to train on easily and in the past I have requested that the supplier 'crushes' vehicles in certain ways before they are delivered to station. I've even taken dummies to the scrapyard to be physically trapped into the vehicles. However I don't like asking every time for this, because I feel it's a bit of an extra for them, plus if every watch at the station starts asking it all becomes too much!
I have seen online people using remote load release hooks & lifting vehicles up with cranes and then dropping them from height to create damage. Following on from the Norwegian rapid extrication method thread I used some relief cuts and a tirfor to pull a car roof down into the passenger space. On the plus side it created accident damage and a physical entrapment. On the downside I had already done a lot of the cuts and made the life of the crew much easier. In the real world it would be bent & buckled rather than cut, so would be more difficult to deal with.
So does anyone have any methods or ideas on creating accident damage?
Regards Ben
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Post by John / Admin on May 22, 2019 19:27:29 GMT
Same for us mate, if we can we use a scrappy to damage them, in some cases we can do some damage with a forklift, but we are very limited for damaging vehicles, which as you say makes a huge difference for training and technique development
Jon
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Post by ben on May 26, 2019 16:17:33 GMT
Guess I will be buying more biscuits for the guys at the scrapyard then lol. I've always thought that a Telehandler would be very useful for RTC work; moving vehicles around, creating some damage and setting up scenarios. I guess however the purchase price, operator training, insurance and servicing/inspection costs put off most FRS's, unless there is a specific operational need, for example USAR. We had until recently access to a HIAB crane that was on an older prime mover. It was very handy for moving cars about and setting up exercises. However the newer vehicle replacing it does not have a HIAB on sadly. This was the result of my handy work the other day:
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Post by John / Admin on May 27, 2019 20:44:25 GMT
Hi Ben
Nice scenario mate, where did you get the tractor unit from?
Yes its very hard to get these resources that we can use to damage vehicle and move them around etc, i did try to get some sponsorship for a tele handler, but as with everything if didn't happen. as always we rely on good will from other agencies, very frustrating.
Jon
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Post by ben on May 28, 2019 14:11:35 GMT
Thanks, one of the District Support Watch Managers based at our station has a contact at the local accident repair centre. We've been making the most of it; stabilising, lifting, removing casualties out the side with a KED etc. Local RDS stations have been coming in getting familisation on the HRU & making use of it too. Eventually it will be names in a hat & one lucky watch will get to cut it up!
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